Is This The Only 100% Proven Combo?

The way i personally see rich is almost as a wealth booster. So basically if your a salesman and u want to get more sales run it. If your selling an online product/affiliate marketing run it to boost sales.

Mogul on the other hand seems like an amazing base sub to generating tons of wealth and develop new business ideas. Also giving motivation to work on your business. Combining the 2 i dont see how it would hurt. Mogul will get the ideas flowing and get you in that wealth building mindset then rich will enhance it by speeding up sales or whatever your business is… At least this is how i see it

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this is a good question.

and when i think about it my reasoning is not substantial enough to discourage you from testing the combo.

i guess i just have a gut feeling the super laid back vibe of wanted does not really make sense with the supposedly highly sexual vibe of libertine since giving off a super sexual vibe does not really make sense for someone super laid back.

but again this is just a gut feeling and definitely not anything substantial enough to discourage you from testing the combo especially since i have no experience at all with wanted.

if you do decide to test the combo please let us know how it goes.

i think i kind of understand what you mean.

when i think about it some more i think my main concern with the mogul + rich combo is that in either scenario it slows down the results so does not make sense to use the combo.

if someone wants money fast then i think rich alone will give results faster and if they need something more long term like building a business from scratch then i think mogul alone will give them faster results then the combo.

thats how i see it and no one pushing this combo has yet to explain the flaw in my analysis.

im open to the possibility that im making a mistake but so far i see no reason for someone to run this combo over the products separately

i might test it at some point just to see since again its a very popular combo on here it seems, i think i have even seen Saint recommend it so maybe ill test it just to make sure im not missing out.

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Yeah bro and that was my previous point also. As on point as sub club is. Plus The fact saint is recommending the combo as well. I highly doubt its built in a way that it will contradict each other the way you think it will. But of course ultimately maybe test one at a time, combine them once and come to your own conclusion is best

You’re more likely to experience negative results running the same focus sub rather than running subs that aren’t the same. But I don’t think it matters.

Realistically speaking Emperor and Stark should not work well, they should contradict each other, they should counterbalance one another. But the reality is, they work beautifully together, and create a synergy unlike any other subs.

Instead of trying to optimize for synergy, just stick to running a combo you enjoy and will stick to for 6 months and you’ll probably see WAY more results.

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It’s strange that you create a thread like every other day asking about this title or experiences with this title or trying to figure out what title will maximize your sexual energy, and yet I don’t think you’ve stuck with any titles over a week.

The combo you’re looking for is discipline and commitment.

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what tangible/practical results have you experienced from the combo of stark and emperor?

i optimize for tangible results and nothing else.

the only thing that matters is tangible results.

i only pay attention if the product is helping with my money goals.

Plenty of wealth combos you could be working on then.

Highly recommend finding three that appeals to you and run them for 3 months + minimum.

you said emperor + stark is an amazing combo.

can you tell us what tangible/practical results you have received from this combo?

Results will vary and may not be representative of the experience of others. Results not typical. Individual results will vary. :joy:

Your inability to just commit yourself to a sub while accepting what the Founder’s themselves have recommended and the community at large does clearly shows your inability to grow as a person.

Highly recommend you either A) take the advice given about just following a combo you want to run for “wealth” for longer than a week - I recommend AM + EOG + RICH (if you have an outlet to manifest money like a business or sales job) - or B) go through some healing subs like Regeneration + Elixir

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biggest F* challenge right there…
when you know for a fact that these subs hit legit but then you seem to stop seeing any change or feel a resistance… you know know what needs to be done, I’m putting every Sub on hold for now, only focused on Paragon when I feel some pain and BL/LE when I need to focus on work…

I feel I need a major washout, haven’t been as consistent with my schedule on listening and somewhat avoiding actions due to current life situation… could this be stonewalling? I’ve already been through major recon lol

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Actions toward the goal of the sub can be done mentally

The brain doesn’t know much the difference, that’s why meditation is my go to and whatever recon appear is usually dealt within 1 day so far or even way less

Journaling on or offline will also help anchor your victories to navigate in void phases of progression

Creating your own narrative is really important it’ll give you energy and something to look forward too

Subs are only tools in the end
You know the rest mate :wink:

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What tangible and practical results have you experienced from the stark + emperor combo you spoke so highly of earlier?

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Sorry mate, if I wanted to share my results publicly I would’ve created a journal of my Emperor + Stark + WANTED stack… but I didn’t :v:

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That’s a whole bunch of threads about combos. Don’t know if I should be happy you keep topics separated or unhappy you started so many conversations at the same time.

Consider that when combining things like RICH and Mogul it’s about idea generation. Mogul’s wealth generating ideas may be more effective in a slightly longer term, but the beliefs and changes it generates will start working right away and may complement RICH quite well. As long as the general goals of the combined subs complement each other, even something like EoG could offer short-term ideas to complement RICH. This concept is likely why Emperor and Stark can complement each other.

When looking at frequent recommendations for combos you could also consider when they were made. Before ZP arrived, RICH was an Ultima. Ultimas were boosters and state-changers, to support Q subs. Their effects would stick if run often enough, but generally people would combine Ultimas with Q subs.

Now with ZP the subs have the ability to act as fast as Ultima could and so we are left with only ZP. But the past is where many of those combos come from.

When looking for quick results, look for the “small” subs. Subs with a very focused goal. LIke Mogul, Ascension, Primal, Iron Throne (PCC also works quite fast). Their scope is limited and so the results come faster. Basically it’s about the amount of stuff added, not necessarily if those are short, medium or long term ideas. The more unfamiliar stuff you add to your brain, the longer it will take to incorporate and start showing results.

It will always be a balancing act. Ascended Mogul for example proved to be only slightly slower than either of those subs on their own but a lot faster than those two run back to back. A custom sub with 10 modules is usually faster than one with 20 modules. And a well-made custom sub in general is most likely to be fast-acting.

The mysterious action-taking also helps a lot. Running Iron Throne during the COVID lockdown had very few short-term results and we can’t say for certain how many long-term ones. But running Wanted during the lockdowns seemed to have lots of fast results, likely because it does a lot of internal work which is better done without distractions. People running Wanted during the lockdowns may now add Iron Throne to make a very effective internal/external combination.

Which is another consideration of course. Some combinations are more effective if you’ve already been running one half of the combination on its own.

There is no single right answer. For what I think would be good as well as fast acting, looking at all the recommendations above, I like RICH & Mogul (while learning about money or at least doing your finances and annual budget), Wanted & Libertine (when going out at least for lunch to be around strangers without trying to pick up anybody, getting enough sleep and having a calming ritual, be this meditation, sports, reading, anything to quiet the voice in your head) and Diamond ans Sex Mastery (I think it’s easy enough to guess which supporting activities to do here).

Now to address a few things in this thread:

This is an important concept. Subs should have at least similar goals to work well together.

And bonus points for the word “justificate” :wink:

It has been stated by Saint that you shouldn’t run completely different subs together but instead focus on, well, focus. Same goes for customs.

Running subs which do completely different things together in a stack would be similar to multi-tasking. If you do 10 things back to back, you’ll be finished faster as compared to doing them all simultaneously. The same principle applies here to your subconscious processing.

Although with ZP there is some merit to the idea of alternating between subs which have only slightly similar goals. For example, running a fitness sub like Spartan or Emperor Fitness on workout days and a physical healing sub like Paragon on recovery days. Or alternating a seduction sub with a physical shifting sub if you believe physical appearance plays a part in attractiveness (not everybody does). Or alternating any sub with visualization/manifestation subs (ME, Ascension, Dreams).

With ZP, the alternating between subs may allow the brain to get a bit of relief from focusing exclusively on one thing. May slightly hinder short-term results but on the longer term, the return on investment is much higher when compared to running them each on their own for long periods. And I personally would rather have a massive return on investment than quick short-term results, considering it is my time that I am investing (an extremely valuable resource).

Just don’t run them on the same day.

Keep in mind, this is still a theory in progress. There is some evidence this alternating has benefits, but it’s not a solid recommendation yet. At least not as far as I know.

One of the most attractive qualities of a person (especially a male) is where they are on their own path, doing their own thing. Women traditionally don’t like a tame lion, they like the one they have to hunt and tame themselves.

So the laid-back quality is very effective there, which is the result of Wanted teaching the listener to accept their own value rather than have others determine their value.

When testing the Ultima version of Libertine people reported feeling that same laid-back vibe and have potential partners all notice them and come to them, seeking out the pleasure.

Taking that into account, both subs have a similar external expression and the added benefit of Libertine is that it adds that sexual aura that makes partners feel like they’re doing something taboo, adding a lot of excitement.

“I found the cure for cancer!”
“So, tell us!”
“Nope, don’t feel like sharing, just wanted to rub it in your faces. Sorry, not sorry.”
“…”

Well, technically you only stated they’d make for a great combo and weren’t rubbing it in, but after writing all the above I needed some comic relief for myself. Sorry. :wink:

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I just don’t feel like explaining myself to someone who would be the equivalence of explaining myself to a brick wall.

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Well, until that gets inevitably (and in my opinion justly) flagged as offensive, it was your delivery which caught my attention. The difference between “It was a private journey and I’d rather not share it publicly” and "I could tell you … but I won’t. :stuck_out_tongue: "

I’m often amazed how many people don’t realize how their messages can and/or will be interpreted by others. Or how many realize and simply choose to ignore it.

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What if we do realize how they will be interpreted but don’t care to make them “snowflake-proof”?

Everyone has a duty unto themselves to not be offended by someone, esp by someone they don’t even know, such as on the internet. All of this outrage culture is a joke imo.

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I despise the social justice culture we’re living in. Feels like we’re constantly walking on eggshells around everybody, afraid to say and do anything lest somebody turns it into a social media campaign against us.

But…

I’m sure you know that quote about great power and great responsibility. Words have a lot of power and in my opinion we should not use them irresponsibly. We can be better than that. Responsible posting earns a lot more respect than cyber-bullying. Or at least respect from the kind of people I’d rather be affiliated with.

We can choose to do better. I do. Maybe you don’t. Maybe Valkyrie doesn’t. But if the person is in your mind not worth treating with some basic respect, why bother even spending the time to type out that reply at all? It’s wasted energy. Spend it on something better than this.

And you don’t need to make them snowflake proof. Just make them not outright insulting.

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INTJ personality “weakness”

They may be arrogant and condescending, as well as impatient with people who don’t catch on as quickly as they’d like.

Unfortunately a character trait.

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