In the Ice I trust ❄

[Sub.Zero]

There’s something to this title that makes it a “spiritual” title in the way it makes WB “spiritual”. However, it the case of WB it’s about embracing your flaws and striving for excellence that makes you authentic and really appealing to women. There’s nothing more seductive than a man embracing his darkness yet striving for reaching the stars (his ideals).

In the case of PR it’s about embracing and nurturing what’s broken in you romantically/emotionally and letting what’s beautiful in you romantically/emotionally shine all the more.

There’s nothing more endearing than beautiful things that are broken (yet not beyond repair!) and make us think that fixing them will help them restore their COMPLETE BEAUTY. Like a beautiful bird with its wing broken that we take care of, helping it recover so that it can show its complete beauty in its first flight after the recovery.

This is how PR is working on me right now, communicating it to the world.

The process happening in me is nicely reflected by this song:

- YouTube

[Azriel]

What is your take on the ‘sexuality’ of PR?
You have the self-awareness to discern between all the different subs you are running.
Does its closeness or romantic element in any way seem to deter a more sexual, primal, or status-based spark or attraction?

Also I have been feeling almost young again lately, with a resurgence in my life that last year or so. WB when I’ve run it made me feel more like a teenager- not in an immature way-but in a ’ I’m on top and have my whole life ahead of me with the world as my oyster."

Back on my more wealth focused stack I do feel a bit caught,a transition not an issue. Missing the train of an entire life of possibilities ahead but not fully established either.

Is Emperor Daddy similar in its youthful re-invigoration or more claiming of the end of that time of life in a strong and mature way? Or love to hear your take on your sense of yourself in time and life on Emperor Daddy

[Sub.Zero]

@Azriel

What is your take on the ‘sexuality’ of PR?

It’s only day 2 on PR so these are only my very first impressions, observations and experiences. However, I can tell that PR intensifies how I experience my sexual desires (aka getting horny) and my sexual sensations when fulfilling them. No other sub has done that for me, I’m sure it’s that part of scripting including Diamond, SM and PN that elicits that.

@Azriel

Does its closeness or romantic element in any way seem to deter a more sexual, primal, or status-based spark or attraction?

I see the beauty in women but I still want to bed them without romancing them, and those “romantic” inclinations of mine that PR elicits serve to “embellish”/romanticize my seduction blueprint not to override it. However, I can tell that WB plays a role in that. I would say PR smooths out the edge WB elicits, by enveloping it with a dreamlike/romantic aura. I’m sure it would be different if I wasn’t running WB.

PR gives you a very similar vibe LB does yet it’s aimed at potential romantic partners, however. On the other hand, it also attracts people, in general, so that they can connect with you emotionally, and not necessary romantically. I doesn’t attract people sexually as far as I can see, and so far. It’s just day 2, like I said.

@Azriel

Is Emperor Daddy similar in its youthful re-invigoration or more claiming of the end of that time of life in a strong and mature way?

The kind of energy it helps you generate is both; reinvigorating and calming. I know it may sound counterintuitive but, in its essence, it’s about generating higher levels of energy, and harnessing and channeling them. I’m more energized physically and mentally. My physical and mental endurance has improved noticeably.

[Sebastian_Po]

@Sub.Zero

those “romantic” inclinations of mine that PR elicits serve to “embellish”/romanticize my seduction blueprint not to override it.

it is comforting to know that….I was worried about it before………having the romance side as the icing on the cake is what I want….I assume…The vibe that you emitting now is more approachable and relatable ？a lot of time，I find that those pure “primal” sexual vibe might scare certain girls away….you are stacking PR with WB and EmpD right ？how these three synergise ？how the the aura of these three mixed feels like ？

[Sub.Zero]

@Sebastian_Po

you are stacking PR with WB and EmpD right ？

Yes.

@Sebastian_Po

The vibe that you emitting now is more approachable and relatable ？

Yes, it is, indeed. People feel even more at ease when approaching me and connecting with me psychologically.

@Sebastian_Po

how these three synergise

Yes, they do synergize really well, indeed. I suppose mainly because they’re all aimed at attracting women. However, it’s also about how they address three essential yet very different aspects of my psyche. EmpD addresses my historical identity (who I’ve been and I am as a mature man), WB my seduction blueprint (how I naturally attract women for sex), and PR addresses my romantic/romance identity (who I am as “a man with a heart”).

This combo elicits in me those natural characteristics of mine that make me a endearing and seductive man with a really strong core and a slight dark edge which doesn’t come a surprise at all.

@Sebastian_Po

how the the aura of these three mixed feels like ？

That aura would be perfect for Chosen, I can imagine, although I’ve never run that sub. It’s social, emotional and sexual magnetism, and authority mixed in a really nice proportion.

[SaintSovereign]

@Azriel

What is your take on the ‘sexuality’ of PR?
You have the self-awareness to discern between all the different subs you are running.
Does its closeness or romantic element in any way seem to deter a more sexual, primal, or status-based spark or attraction?

This is Primal Romance. Don’t forget the “primal” part. And this notion that romance takes away from a primal sexuality came from the red pill.

[Azriel]

Thanks for clarifying I couldn’t imagine you would leave out the sexual, admiration, status, elements of romance in a sub like this.

I don’t follow red pill ideology at all; this comment came from reading some of the threads on primal romance and some feedback on it that it seemed to lower sexual attraction but increase closeness. I find @Sub.Zero quite very intelligent and adept at discerning his internal experience and the impact of subs, so I wanted his take on it. I believe polarity, status, admiration, and distinct separation are an important part of the attraction and deeper romance, and I was curious to what degree this was balanced in this program.

[Sub.Zero]

@SaintSovereign

@Azriel

What is your take on the ‘sexuality’ of PR?
You have the self-awareness to discern between all the different subs you are running.
Does its closeness or romantic element in any way seem to deter a more sexual, primal, or status-based spark or attraction?

This is Primal Romance. Don’t forget the “primal” part. And this notion that romance takes away from a primal sexuality came from the red pill.

@Azriel

Thanks for clarifying I couldn’t imagine you would leave out the sexual, admiration, status, elements of romance in a sub like this.

Only last night, when my lover came over I experienced something relevant to the sexual aspect of PR. She had said before that she was in love with me but last night she said I was her real love and the love of her life.

Later on, she had the best sex of her life, cumming more times than ever before and even though she got really tired and sweaty when riding me during the “last session”, she didn’t have enough and she kept going craving for even more. So she got it.

When it comes to attracting women sexually, I need more exposure to females to know the exact mechanics of attracting them. For now, it looks like they’re more responsive to me “aesthetically” than sexually. It means that I seem to be a prince from their dream more than someone they would fuck right off the bat. If it makes sense to you, guys.

[Sub.Zero]

I’ve seen more attraction from women today. Even from a woman at my workplace who had never showed me her interest before. She would just try to keep it cool even though I could tell she was slightly attracted. Today she did that directly by offering me some food at the canteen and trying to strike up a convo. However, this kind of attraction was a bit different than typically. I got it from some other female coworkers, too. It was as if they had been more interested in me as a person and not as an “object of sexual desires”. I still need more time to fathom the exact “mechanics” of it.

I see some internal changes as well. That’s obvious and expected. In short, EmpD makes me rock solid and dark, WB cold and dark even more so whilst PR smooths out my intensity and makes me approachable, especially for women.

I see and I’ve started experiencing an insane romantic/seductive potential in this combo in the times where romance is so rare, so exotic to women and, therefore, all the more enthralling. It’s too early to say, yet upon the reactions and responses I’ve got from women since I started the stack I got an impression that they see me in the way that is presented in the picture below:

The power of mystery, romance and authenticity.

[SoulFire]

So just approachable enough they might feel safe trying to take off that helmet to see who’s under?

[Sub.Zero]

@SoulFire

So just approachable enough they might feel safe trying to take off that helmet to see who’s under?

Yes, PR has resolved the main issue in my seduction which was coming across as too intense to lots of women, due to the edge and vibe WB elicited in me. Lots of seductions didn’t even start because of that since those women were too timid and socially inept. PR helps them feel comfortably themselves when interacting with me and that helps me elicit their authentic way of communicating and connecting with me.

[Sub.Zero]

That “bedroom” scripting in PR is crazy. Last night, my lover rode me like a crazy, getting orgasm by orgasm, even more than the previous night. She didn’t have enough even though she was really sweaty and nearing to exhaustion. She also got really wet when we started. Like never before.

PR helped me explain to her the nature of our relationship better, and what my role in her life and her in mine is. I could explain to her better why we can’t be in a monogamous relationship. I did that not for the first time, yet now it was just more authentic and with considering her feelings even more profoundly.

[Sub.Zero]

@Sub.Zero

That “bedroom” scripting in PR is crazy. Last night, my lover rode me like a crazy, getting orgasm by orgasm, even more than the previous night. She didn’t have enough even though she was really sweaty and nearing to exhaustion. She also got really wet when we started. Like never before.

Last night I got even more of that. She rode me for around one hour. She got utterly sweaty and I got wet with her sweat. She wanted to keep going yet I told her that I had enough. Crazy stuff!

When I asked her why she rode me so wildly she couldn’t tell.

Anyhow, I wrote a poem about that in the morning. I’ve just sent it to her.

Ride me as if there was no tomorrow.
Ride me, there’s too much sorrow.
Ride me even though you’re sweaty.
Ride me since I’m your bedroom deity.
Ride me since you’re devilishly horny.
Ride me till the light of the morning.

[AlexanderGraves]

I’m honeslty mostly amazed by the stamina to have sex for an hour. You go, brother!

[Sub.Zero]

@AlexanderGraves

I’m honeslty mostly amazed by the stamina to have sex for an hour. You go, brother!

And me not as much by the stamina as by the insatiable desire.

[Sub.Zero]

My lover was supposed to go back to her country for two or three moths next week. I though we had said goodbye to one another on yesterday morning. However, a friend of hers got an accident and she needed to change her plan and she will be staying here for a bit longer.

Another thing is, today she had to work, instead of enjoying her usual day off, and because of that she couldn’t visit another friend of hers yesterday so she came over last night.

Two manifestations one by one. Two listening nights only. Damn! That was quick!

[Sub.Zero]

I’ve decided to focus on EmpD and WB as they help me do what I must and become what I must. PR is great, yet it’s not aligned with my life circumstances at the moment. It may never be.

Another thing is I’m capable of a love that is beyond my current partners’ capabilities as their psychology is not as subtle and complex, yet powerful and profound, as mine is.

[Sub.Zero]

I’ve been chivalrous to my wife for the whole day. She suffers from some spine issues and needs a bit of special attention and treatment. PR has definitely facilitated this attitude of mine. She really appreciated that, verbalising it. We had nice sex in the morning. She had never been as responsive in bed as she was today.

I’m going to keep running PR for her until next Saturday since I’ll be departing on that day, and we won’t see each other until Christmas.

She may not be capable of the love I am, but she’s responsive to chivalrous/romantic gestures and she definitely deserves them for the love I have for her.

[Sub.Zero]

PR improves my empathetic skills quite nicely. I am more emotional in the sense that I feel more and deeper, yet I can monitor and moderate my feelings and emotions more effectively.

Another thing is that the things that would trigger me when interacting with my wife only trigger my awareness without affecting my behaviour.

It is easier to listen to her and agree with her or agree to what she wants. It’s also easier for her to control her usual outburst when we’re arguing.

I also got one manifestation when buying her a watch I promised her to buy for our anniversary. We chose a watch, yet I didn’t have enough cash to pay for it, and she would have had to pay with her phone banking, yet we got a discount as the manager showed up and told us about the discount, and I had enough to pay in cash. Good. I really bought a watch for her as I promised.

[Sub.Zero]

@Thunder

to embody the rich older gentleman archetype

I don’t embody that (and any other) archetype on EmpD (or any other ZP sub) as that’s not the way I express my propositional attitudes (sorry for a fancy term but it’s the most accurate I know), which are unique to me (and everyone) and never fall under any archetype. However, I think I know what you mean by that. Some set of characteristics ascribed to what is considered “rich, older gentleman” by society.

EmpD works on those propositional attitudes of mine (and facilitate their expression), which are far away from the archetype you mentioned. They’re not close even to what the sales copy says, although the main theme is something I can clearly see in the way I express my propositional attitudes influenced by the scripting.

From what other people reported and to sum it up, EmpD helps them express their propositional attitudes in a way that makes them look as if they were embodying the wise old king archetype (wisdom, self-mastery, empathy, pride, regality and benevolence as the key characteristics), mixed with the flair of maturity and youthful vitality. Well, it resonates with the sales copy pretty well, yet, again, that picture was created based on what I see in all those reports from different users as a whole.

In me, it’s more about exploring the “Ice in me” (that part of my shadow that was a direct response to my highly traumatic life) and experiencing more ice in the Ice. What it means in terms of affecting my propositional attitudes is that I’m even more compassionless and prideless. My uniqe expression is far from that benevolent king archetype. There’s a merciless rebellion against what was made of me burning in my very soul. The courage to defy the “Old God” (who I “was made”), break the ancient order (the trauma bondage), and own my destiny.

I know this is not the answer you expected but you inspired me to go deeper in my introspection and retrospection.

I’m going to answer your question on the thread you posted it on.