Experience: Adding the middle name

yes I do. had to take a rest day lol

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@Parsifal Thank you so much for this thread. I found it earlier this year when I was in lurk mode and have been using my full name, including my middle name, in name embeds since then.

For me, I can 100% feel the difference in how the sub hits and how much faster the results or recon comes. I can’t put a tangible multiplier on it given how these things work, but I can say that I will always use my full name for as long as it’s allowed by the system.

I wish I could give you 50 likes for this one — it gave me real value. :fire: Thanks man.

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I wanna try with my full legal name which is 4 (technically 5) names long. But that might het flagged hy aupport xD

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As long as you have all the names on your account and they match it should go through.

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@heartmadeiron @jelly

Yeah that’s my exact experience. My full name is four names and my account only has my first and last name on it.

No issues or delays so far.

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I think a M/F or a M/Th listening week could work.

It’s definitely stronger but I never experienced it causing more fatigue compared to its first name counterpart. What are you running?

I’m running DreamTime which is DreamBoi and Summertime core.

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The last part is crucial to someone who has a common first name, even I’ll ignore someone who calls my first name. But full name address is hard to escape for the worse (if you’re in trouble with the law, or your girl :wink:) or the better (you’ve won a big prize)

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Got my first and last name in my peace and zone name embedded, will report the full name effects

Opened a ticket to get my full name ready for a peace Regeneration NEM.

I think it really depends on the person, but I also think it’s more common than people think.

I have both my first and middle name on my name embedded titles and will when I finally order my Customs.

Long story, but my first name was my Dad’s. After my Mom divorced him I wanted nothing to do with his name (he was very abusive to my Mom and I) so I went by my middle name until my super early 20’s then I legally changed my first name.

My family and childhood friends call me by my middle name still (I never changed my middle name on purpose) but most everyone that came into my life since my early 20’s calls me by my legal first name.

So it was very important to have both, especially with RICH Trader because most of my trading career has been since I legally changed my first name. I’m 55 now so that’s over half my life since I changed my first name and use it for professional and everyday parts of my life.

I’m shocked I never saw this post because I researched around March how to do it and ended up asking support.

So I can absolutely say that indeed, in my case, my name embedded subs hit very deep because I use both my first and middle names for the subs.

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@SaintSovereign @Fire

On rebuilds of Name Embeds is there an option to change the name?

I’d like to try with both my first name and family name in the future.

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I can confirm the full name embedded hits deeper even at just 15 seconds. I can feel a whole lot of intense processing happening and my head feels heavy but when I close my eyes for a bit I can feel the data being integrated rapidly

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From support:

“You’re right on both counts, and yes, a ticket is the correct route.

THE FORM GENUINELY HAS NO NAME FIELD

I’ve checked it. The discounted rebuild form collects only six things: the original order number, whether that order used the Solace mask, your mask choice, build type, sound quality, and delivery speed. There’s nowhere to enter a name, and nothing at checkout captures notes either.

The rebuild takes its name from whatever was entered on the original order. So a rebuild placed without flagging would come back carrying exactly the name your original build had.

HOW TO GET IT ADDED

Place the rebuild as normal, then reply straight back on this ticket with the new order number and tell me which name you want embedded. I’ll pass the request through to the build team with the reference.

If you’re rebuilding several, send them together with the order numbers listed against each original - that’s easier to action than separate messages.

TWO PRACTICAL POINTS

Choose Standard delivery rather than Express. Standard leaves a few business days between your order and the build being produced, which is the window the name change has to be flagged in. Express compresses that and makes it likelier the build is made before anyone sees your message.

And I can forward the request, but I can’t guarantee the outcome, so the sooner the order number reaches me after you order, the better the chance of it landing before the build runs.”

Rather than replying to some pre-existing ticket, I believe you’d just make a new one the moment you place the rebuild order.

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Thanks for the info, so considering tickets can sometimes take weeks to be answered, is it safer to send a ticket a week or two prior to making the rebuild?

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I would yeah. Since I already have a ticket about it I’ll probably just reply to that like they told me to, but giving them a heads up would be good. Tickets have been pretty fast for me recently anyway.

I think it’s really good for situations like this, but also for most situations in general barring internal issues regarding the middle and last name themselves.

Below is a kind of long theory of names that I have, mostly to reach the point that one’s full name represents a deeper encompassing identity than just their first. So it is much harder to ignore or pass off in the sense of “that’s not me.” The subliminal input reaches you directly, because that’s who you believe you are on a factual level.

Different names in different contexts

When you meet someone, you’re conditioned to ask their name as one of the first things you say to them (at least in Western culture), and they’ll tell you their first name the majority of the time, or whatever name is most “convenient” to them. You then presumably use that name whenever you see that person.

You get coffee, the barista asks for your name for the order to write on the cup. Assuming you use the name you identify with every day for that (I’ll get back to this later), you then have your convenient name written on virtually every food or drink you get.

If anything, I believe this “reduces” the value of your convenient name to be a dollface. Just as you are a person playing many different roles in your daily life, your convenient name must also “identify” you in each one of these roles regardless of how important they are to you. Helping a stranger lift something to their car? That’s convenient name you. On a first date? Still convenient name. At work? Barring any job titles, still convenient name you.

Now, how often is it that you’ll procrastinate some task? It may be something you’re not in the right mind space to do, so it makes sense that you’re putting it off until you are. But guess what, that’s you, deeper identity you, getting used to ignoring and putting off the responsibilities of convenient name you.

Let’s get rid of one of my assumptions now. I was assuming you likely use the same convenient name in most day-to-day situations. What if you live in an english speaking country but do not have a convenient name that is easy to spell or pronounce? You may then decide that it’s useful to create a name purely for those kinds of situations, a more context-specific convenient name. This is now the name written on your metaphorical coffee cups.

Outside of this context, you may find you don’t react to this name as intuitively as you do your “standard” convenient name. That name only identifies you in a specific situation. You may not even look up if this “coffee specific” name came up in a meeting.

Similar logic applies to contexts where you and another person share convenient names without any nicknames to differentiate you from them. In that sense, you’re desensitized from that name without a replacement, and you intuitively only feel that you’re addressed when you think what’s being said applies to you. You no longer have a name that acts as a parallel to who “you” are.

Now earlier, I introduced the term “convenient name” without fully defining it. Using these examples as outlines, I think it’d be safe to define your convenient name as “the most convenient way to refer to you in a specific context or environment.” For many people in most contexts, this may just be their first name. But consider your close friends or family members who may have a nickname for you. When you’re with them, it may be that your subconscious perceives that nickname to be the parallel to who you are, not your first name.

If we were to just leave it this though, there would be no way to connect these different names together. There has to be some central you that they refer to. I like to think of this like a tree with many different branches. If some name is only convenient in super specific sub-contexts, we might say it branches off of that overall context. For example, if I’m a doctor, Dr. [Last Name] could be called sub-contextual convenient name for my first name.

The reason I get really picky with defining all of this, is that I believe in many situations, one’s full legal name encompasses a deeper context than just their first or any other convenient names. It’s closer to the root of the tree because in many societies, it is conditioned on an identity level that that is who you are on a matter-of-fact level.

I have two name embeds that I got initially with only my first name, and then rebuilt including my middle and last. When I ran the initial ones, I felt things happening, but they felt much easier to ignore, and I felt that my subconscious was trying to ignore the parts of the scripts that made it uncomfortable in favor for what it liked. In contrast, the rebuilt subs would immediately start making me address deep beliefs I’d held since childhood and cause more recon as I dealt with them. This, in turn, led to results that after two weeks, absolutely wiped the floor with the ones I got listening to the previous versions for a month. Many more dreams of when I was young, and a lot of those dreams created situations where I was immensely uncomfortable or annoyed.

To me, it feels like including the full name puts my subconscious in a situation where it cannot ignore the subliminal input anymore, putting huge emphasis on what it’s uncomfortable with. This then leads to faster and more expressive results since the deeper issues get addressed more quickly, as well as making me more comfortable with the process of them being addressed.

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@qOS could we get an analysis of this phenomenon that a sub hits deeper (at least for some) when we don’t use just the given name, but add the middle, maybe even family name?

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Not yet, but we will be adding those features with the big tech update in January.

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